chopin etudes

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No thats not what I'm saying. There is nothing special about classical composing. I fail to see how it reaches 'deeper levels of composing' that jazz, metal,prog rock do not. It completely lacks any respect for mixing because that didn't exist back then. There are no effects to apply to the music, it is strictly about the notes. Music is much more than just notes. That places skrillex, drake, justin bieber, and pretty much anyone since the 1960s at deeper dimensions than classical.

If you care so deeply about music use it creatively, use different parts of different style of different songs to make a song that is creative and interesting, not repeat something another guy wrote hundreds of years ago that isn't really innovative or creative. Music is not as it was back then, and those composers aren't really that great anymore. This is the elitism that I'm talking about. Most people say classical is great, but they never listen to it,and I can definitely find more reasons why drake or black eyed peas or pink flpyd or led zeppelin or metallica or death or skrillex or plini, etc. are superior, in terms of musical ideas, innovation, sound design, creativity and even technicality sometimes, yet few reasons why classical is still even relevant. Music has evolved, its no longer about playing fast on a piano. Music is a creative art and should be treated as such.

NOTHING special?  Not deep?  You're not listening.  I understand that classical can be difficult to listen to because it is often quite abstract (certainly when compared to modern simple pop).

And you just spent nearly an hour in chat today waving away ALL of my arguments about pop music, simply dismissing them as matter of taste.  I have already stated above that classical is not my fave go to listening choice, far from it, but I do appreciate the depth and intricacies of it and the high level of composition and structure in it which far outweighs pretty much anything in our billboard hot 100 in the last 20 years.  I can admire it on its merits DESPITE my tastes.

No mixing in classical????  Are you nuts?  There's a 57 piece orchestra, each piece often with its own charts.  Arrangements galore, all playing dynamically.  Comparing dynamics between classical and modern pop is laughable.  Dynamics are rampant in classical, pretty much non-existent in today's pop.  Today we crush the headroom out of everything.  And dynamics is the FIRST and most important basic building block of mixing often overlooked, which parts are quieter and which parts are louder, that was how mixing was born with simple mic placement.  Classical composers didn't have that but they still mixed.  What do you think all the p<f 's were on the charts?  That's mixing.  Yes they didn't have multitracks and effects, but they had acoustics and dynamics, which means that they actually still got the job done WITH LESS!  Mixing a 57 piece orchestra with nothing but pen and paper is an order of magnitude harder than a drum beat a bassline, a guitar or two, some vocals and some effects, yet they still did it 400 years ago masterfully.

You can't seriously argue that Bieber with his chopped up vocal over a looped beat and two chords for three and a half minutes is deeper than Beethoven.  Cardi B is worse, she doesn't even have chords in half of her stuff just a 3 note bassline.

Not relevant? So many people on this site in particular love video game music.  There's tons of cool video game music out there, but what is the most famous and beloved video game music of all?  Tetris.  That's Tchaikovsky, so he's VERY relevant - directly relevant, even today.

And finally Chopin may be about playing fast on a piano, but he is only one composer.  He's the minority.  There's far far FAR more to classical than shred piano.  Listen to Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata, a beautiful piece of chordscape, a slow arpeggio with subtle changes and dramatic dynamics.

Lopyt, you tell everyone good advice almost daily, you say 'listen to something you don't like, and try to write in a style that you don't like, you'll learn something'.  I'll give you that same advice.  You don't have to like classical (that's never what this debate has been about), but you're not doing yourself any favors dismissing it outright as not relevant.  Listen to some Beethoven for an afternoon.  You will learn stuff, about arrangements, dynamics, changes, themes.  Even if they are too abstract for casual listening, they ARE master compositions.